A Stoner Debating An Alcoholic

At times, this felt like a debate between a stoner and an alcoholic.  Like in the first debate, it was frustrating to see Obama let McCain largely drive the debate and keep Obama on the defensive.  But more so than in the first debate, I think if Obama seemed somewhat too subdued or even sedate, McCain came off as cranky, irritable, and nasty to the point of seeming unpresidential.  McCain did himself no favors by cutting Obama off to bring up Bill Ayers an extra time, or with the endless sarcastic asides.  And I think you look small when you whine on and on about how a civil rights hero was too mean in criticizing the nastiness of your campaign.

As a super-decided voter, it was aggravating to see McCain attack on the first Gulf War without Obama firing back about the current one, and more so to see Obama sounding defensive, reassuring tones about his tax plan without hammering McCain on why now of all times he would want to outdo George Bush in sending more money to the richest among us.  That said, it's not that Barack Obama doesn't know how to go on the attack.  It's just that he's winning, and his strategy in this debate - like the prior two but even more so - was to show himself a steady hand steering the ship of state.  It's hard to find someone not currently receiving checks from the McCain campaign to argue the Obama strategy isn't working.



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Re: A Stoner Debating An Alcoholic (none / 0)

And he's won the debate all three times! How about that?

There is direct precedent. I'm sure Hillary was watching this debate, thinking of Ohio, and laughing her ass off while saying to herself, "I'm just glad it isn't me this time!"


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 03:19:33 AM EST

Re: A Stoner Debating An Alcoholic (none / 0)

On a focus group on MSNBC, an undecided independent voter who had voted for Bush in 2004 thought that Obama gave a very clear explanation about Ayers and that McCain was "beating a dead horse" by bringing it up again.
McCain's crap about ACORN was simply over the top ridiculous, and he lied throughout the debate.
I hope someone does a fact check blog today.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 06:40:25 AM EST

Re: A Stoner Debating An Alcoholic (none / 0)

More like a stoned stoner debating a sober alcoholic! LOL

When I watched Obama explain his connection to Bill Ayers, I thought to myself, big mistake - the more defend, the more the questions will keep coming. But then it occurred to me - Obama actually WANTED McCain to keep beating that dead horse because Obama knew that it would make McCain seem small and petty.


by bushsucks on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 09:13:02 AM EST
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Re: A Stoner Debating An Alcoholic (none / 0)

Exactly! That's why Obama brought it up first.


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 11:03:11 AM EST
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Fired up and ready to go! (none / 0)

What?


Your old role is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand, for the times they are a changing.
by Travis Stark on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 08:50:57 AM EST

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It was a deliberate strategy not to be outwardly aggressive.  It was more of a passive-aggressive tact by Obama.  Let McCain make wild accusations, and then systematically debunk them in a way that makes McCain look irrational and erratic for even bringing it up.  Erratic is clearly a large part of Obama's meme about McCain, and I think he's played it to a tee in all three debates.  Left wingers want to see him come out swinging, too, on some of these issues, but that would risk making him look just as erratic, especially to the moderate voters on both sides that he is targetting in these debates, and destroy the meme that is the key to his campaign.  

It's a very subtle and brilliant ploy because it is mostly subconscious, so people just internalize their feelings without thinking about it.  Think about it yourself.  Did that debate make you feel that McCain was irrational and erratic compared to Obama?  But you are not consciously thinking about that (you are consciously thinking about Obama making more attacks instead), instead you've just internalized it.


NJ Hussein Independent
by NJIndependent on Thu Oct 16, 2008 at 09:14:55 AM EST


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