Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama

The media pundits and commentators insist on reminding the voters on a daily basis that Hillary Clinton is Finished and doesn't have a chance. Yet the newest national tracking poll by Gallup, Rasmussen and Newsweek, shows that Clinton noy only beats McCain, but is also ahead of Obama in two of those three polls.

Not only do these numbers indicate how strong Hillary continues to poll, but reminds voters that she is the strongest candidate for the General Election. It also continues to show Obama's weaknesses as the primary season comes to a close.

Given Hillary's strenghts, it is totally unbelievable how ignorant the media has become and how they have treated her with utter disrespect and disregard.

Clinton Leads McCain and Obama

CLINTON EXPECTED TO WIN PR PRIMARY
Clinton is campaigning for Puerto Rico's primary on June 1, which offers 55 pledged delegates to the national Democratic convention. The New York senator is expected to win the contest, thanks partly to her ties to the large Puerto Rican community in her home state.

With a substantial victory on the island commonwealth along with the results of the Michigan and Florida decision, Hillary is expected to win the national popular vote.

Hillary  can win the popular vote


Poll
Will Hillary Win the National Popular Vote
Yes: With a big win in PR
Yes: When Michigan and Florida is counted
Yes: Even without Michigan votes
No: It's too late

Votes: 38
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 3)

We choose our nominee based on the popular vote?  Funny, i thought we used delegates.


by Bobby Obama on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:50:36 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 1)

who are we?
DNC does it.
Plus DNC still using fraud (caucuses), open primaries, early primaries and NO direct vote, only through friken delegates.
So don't say we; it is DNC who does not yield control to voters.
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:09:55 PM EST
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and you chose NOW (none / 0)

to complain about it. Where were you ten months ago?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:27:48 PM EST
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i send my suggestions to Dean 3 years ago! (2.00 / 1)


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:31:13 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

And yet, Hillary Clinton agreed to all those things a year ago - and in fact, her allies set up a lot of those rules as well as the calendar.

Does that make her a collaborator in fraud and disenfranchisement?


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by mistersite on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:33:21 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

she is guilty too


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:32:49 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 2)

Do you know what a margin of error is? Do you know how to read polls? Do you know how valuable polls 6 months before an election are?

If you answered yes to any of those questions, you should delete this diary out of respect for your own honesty.

If you answered no to all those questions you should delete this diary because you are manifestly unqualified to comment on polling.


by letterc on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:51:08 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 3)

LOL: The only thing that needs to be deleted is your ridiculous comments. Get ready for PR! Yippe Yahoo


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:53:23 PM EST
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These national polls are adding up (2.00 / 1)

See mine further down the diary list also. In the new Newsweek poll, Obama has lost the lead he had over McCain last month, whhile Hillary beats McCain 48% - 44%.


by phoenixdreamz on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:59:17 PM EST
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Re: These national polls are adding up (none / 0)

which is in the MOE so they're tied.


by venician on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:57:18 PM EST
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a much better nom de plume for you (none / 0)

Steve,

Given your uncurbed enthusiasm and unflagging devotion to your candidate, despite her miniscule chances of becoming the nominee, I think you should replace your current user name with the last line of your post:

Yippee Yahoo

And yes, we are prepared for "PR".  We'll here plenty from Clinton's PR flaks should she manage to "win" the bogus metric of the popular vote.

Have a "Yippee Yahoo" from me!


by emptythreatsfarm on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:59:38 PM EST
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Re: a much better nom de plume for you (none / 0)

We have polls we like!  We have polls we like!  All those other polls, didn't mean squat.  Gallup last week?  Everybody knows you can't trust Gallup on May 17th.  But May 26th, well let me tell you.  Gallup is never more precise than precisely 159 days before the election. You guys knew that, right?  Right?


by niksder on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:29:33 PM EST
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Every poll you cite (2.00 / 2)


   is a MOE poll. Hillary doesn't lead outside the margin of error, and neither does McCain.

  If polls are the holy grail that you clearly believe they are, then explain to us why Bill Clinton was polling behind Bush AND Perot in 1992 in June, yet somehow managed to overcome that and win the election.

  Hmm... the polls were wrong? THe polls weren't accurate. I know it might take several Kool-Aids to wash down that common sense logic, Steve, but it must be done.


by southernman on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:52:14 PM EST

Re: Every poll you cite (2.00 / 2)

Hmmm, If I recall you seem to love those polls when your guy is ahead, otherwise they should be discounted or they don't matter. Please don't insult our intelligence, your candidate is a weak prospect, as polls continue to show.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:54:52 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (2.00 / 1)


   I've never said a poll was worth a damn thing. I merely cited some to show that Obama is also a strong candidate. Never once attempted to use them to bash a candidate or justify a ridiculous idea that one of them can win, but the other one can't.

 Nice try!!


by southernman on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:56:37 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (2.00 / 2)

Sorry, but the polls say otherwise. If he was such a strong candidate then why does he consistently poll lower than McCain and Hillary. Believe what you want, but that doesn't change anything, does it?


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:59:26 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (none / 0)


   why did those polls in 1992 show Clinton in 3rd place at this point in the race. According to those polls, Clinton would've lost to both Bush AND Perot.

  Yet he didn't. My my, why could that be?


by southernman on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:21:29 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (none / 0)

In 1992, when Clinton was 3rd behind Perot and Bush, was there another Democrat left in the field who was polling ahead of Perot, Bush, and Clinton?  Then your analogy would make sense - and we wouldn't have had a nomination of Bill Clinton.  But Clinton in 3rd in 1992 is not an analogous situation to the present day.

This is not 1992, it is 2008.  This time, we have a choice of candidates - and of course either way it is a roll of the dice, but Hillary appears to be the stronger GE candidate.

Obama's victory over Clinton in our nominating process will be, in my prediction, a pyrrhic victory.  He may win the battle, but I don't see him winning against McCain.


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:24:37 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (none / 0)

Yeah because McSame is such a strong candidate. He doesn't even have the full support of the conservative base. Also the repug brand, in their own words is TOXIC, and 82% of the population thinks we're on the wrong track. But keep cheering on the GOP.


by venician on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:02:04 PM EST
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Re: Every poll you cite (none / 0)

I'm not cheering on the GOP.  Back when they were choosing between McCain, Huckabee, and Romney - I was praying for a Huckabee or Romney nomination because either of those would get slaughtered in the GE against any of our candidates.  Now that the GOP somehow did the smart thing and nominated their best candidate, I'm not so sure.  I don't like McCain, or McSame, or McCain't - whatever you want to call him.  But I think he will beat Obama.


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:22:56 PM EST
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Your title is a lie (2.00 / 1)

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/2008 0525DailyUpdateGraph1_dfgty.gif

Obama is up in Gallup by 5 over Clinton
Rasmussen doesn't track the dem primary any more as they think it is over.
As ofr Newsweek I didn't see anything about the dem primary from them.

Please clarify your diary some.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:53:35 PM EST

Re: Your title is a lie (2.00 / 2)

Not! The report is dated May 26, which is today. So tell the pollsters. Otherwise you are barking up the wrong tree.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:57:07 PM EST
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Your link through donna darkos blog (2.00 / 1)

is to the May 25th report.
please correct the factual inaccuracy, or show a link to the gallup report of today.

Here is the link you are referring to:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107488/Gallup -Daily-Clinton-Maintains-Lead-Over-McCai n.aspx

right, only Obama is up 5 among democrats.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:00:14 PM EST
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Re: Your link through donna darkos blog (none / 0)

Listen, if you guys are going to keep citing facts, truths that show these posts to be less than, well, fact-based, then what else is there?  Next thing we know you'll start accurately counting delegates and including all states in the popular vote, or worse still, asserting that the popular vote total can't be known.  

Have you no dignity?  The Obamabots are soooo good at using the Google.  Well did you know this?  She's winning since March 6, so there.


by niksder on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:37:17 PM EST
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I like how the diarist has not responded (none / 0)

after all what is truth when 'the cake is a lie'.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:42:55 PM EST
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Re: Your link through donna darkos blog (none / 0)

The diary was about GE polls, and it is correct that Clinton outperforms Obama in all of the ones cited (Gallup, Rasmussen, Newsweek).  You are citing a primary poll, which is pretty useless considering that 48 out of 50 states have already voted.


by markjay on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:51:05 PM EST
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Your point is true (none / 0)

but the diarists title is misleading as there isn't a head to head match up between Clinton and Obama where Clinton is in the lead.

If the diarist wanted to be correct he could have gone with a Clinton beats Obama vs. McCain not Clinton leads McCain and Obama.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:03:15 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 2)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht ml?res=9E0CE2D7143AF93AA25755C0A96495826 0

Four polls taken by Gallup since May 18 have shown no significant fluctuations, measuring Mr. Perot's support at 34 to 39 percent, President Bush's at 31 to 35 percent and Mr. Clinton's at 24 to 25 percent.

thanks, whichever MyDDer I ganked this from yesterday :)


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by terra on Mon May 26, 2008 at 08:57:18 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

That's awesome.  I guess we should always pick the candidate lagging behind in May, then.


by therealdeal on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:17:59 PM EST
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Didn't something like this happen a week ago? (2.00 / 1)

I distinctly remember about a week or two ago somebody posting a Gallup poll showing Obama virtually tied with Clinton and losing to McCain. And then two days later Obama blasted up to a huge lead. The reason: one day polling noise.  There was nothing newsworthy the day the polls tightened - certainly nothing that would help Clinton.

The same is happening here. It's Memorial Day Weekend. Stand-alone pollsters never poll on Memorial Day weekend because so many people are out of town. Gallup's tracker just goes every day so it doesn't care about the holiday.

Watch this poll on Wednesday and Thursday and you'll have a better indication if Obama has hit some sort of rough patch.


by elrod on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:02:06 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (2.00 / 2)

"Yet the newest national tracking poll by Gallup, Rasmussen and Newsweek, shows that Clinton . . . is also ahead of Obama in two of those three polls."

What are you talking about?  Clinton is behind Obama in all of the recent polls.  Here are the ones currently listed on Real clear Politics:

Gallup Tracking 05/22 - 05/24 Obama +5.0
Rasmussen Tracking 05/22 - 05/25 Obama +6.0
Newsweek 05/21 - 05/22 Obama +8.0
Reuters/Zogby 05/15 - 05/18 Obama +26.0
Quinnipiac 05/08 - 05/12 Obama +4.0
ABC News/Wash Post 05/08 - 05/11 Obama +12.0


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by soccerandpolitics on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:02:51 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

Link for the above:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/us/democratic_presidentia l_nomination-191.html


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:05:23 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

She is ahead of Obama in the head to head polling with McCain (which is all that matters in the end).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/national.html

Clinton / McCain
Gallup - Clinton + 5
Ras. - Clinton + 2
Newswekk - Clinton + 4

Obama / McCain
Gallup - McCain + 2
Ras - Tie
Newsweek - Tie


by mikes101 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:39:13 AM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

The will of the Democratic electorate doesn't matter?


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by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:31:58 PM EST
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Wait a minute (2.00 / 2)

I thought the poll was going to show Democratic primary voters choosing Clinton over Obama as well as GE votes of Clinton over McCain. Well, it does show Clinton over McCain but it doesn't show Clinton over Obama in the primary. This title is misleading.


by elrod on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:03:57 PM EST

That is why I said his title is a lie nt. (2.00 / 2)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:04:44 PM EST
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Re: That is why I said his title is a lie nt. (none / 0)

Maybe a graph would clear it up.  Jerome?


by niksder on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:39:06 PM EST
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Too bad (2.00 / 2)

The OP decided to use a misleading title or they could have made a argument on the McCain vs. Obama/ McCain vs. Clinton race.

Now they rightfully get tagged as being dishonest...too bad.


"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody
by nextgen on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:09:12 PM EST

Re: Too bad (none / 0)

RASMUSSEN POLL TODAY:

Obama 50
Clinton 44

RCP AVG:
OBAMA  PLUS 3 OVER mCcAIN

cLINTON PLUS 1.4 OVER mCcAIN

I look at averages of polls


by BDM on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST
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Gosh... (2.00 / 3)

What's this then?

And, just curious, what real significance do you think general election match-ups have when the nomination is not yet resolved?


by Shaun Appleby on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:12:14 PM EST

Re: Gosh... (none / 0)

The GE is the ONLY thing that matters.

And poll averages are only as dependable as the polls they comprise.  Gallup is probably the most reputable and prestigious pollster in the country.  If they say Obama will win this November in a cake walk, I'd take their word for it.  But they aren't saying that.


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:26:54 PM EST
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They aren't saying (none / 0)

she'll win a cakewalk either, and she has had a habit of blowing leads, while he has a habit of building his support, so considering he's tied with McCain and she's a mere 4 points ahead, based on the way they've been campaigning, I'd choose him.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:30:31 PM EST
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Re: They aren't saying (none / 0)

Pray tell - he has a habit of building support and she has a habit of losing it?  This is in direct contrast to my observational powers - which show Clinton winning everywhere she has been expected to win (mainly primaries, big states, diverse states, and poor states), and him winning everywhere he has been expected to win (with several caucus victories, states with higher incomes, or AA populations).  I think her states are more important in the GE, so I'd choose her.


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:32:42 PM EST
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Were you around last summer (none / 0)

when she was expected to win EVERYTHING.

In October and November, 2007, she consistently led in Iowa. What happened?


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue May 27, 2008 at 12:11:27 AM EST
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Re: Gosh... (none / 0)

I get it that the general matters.  That wasn't the question, was it?  The question is how you can get a decent metric when the nomination is still unresolved, especially when one of the candidates is actively throwing sand.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:59:49 PM EST
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Re: Gosh... (none / 0)

Obama is still actively throwing sand?  I thought he was now focused on McCain. </snark>


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:24:41 PM EST
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Re: Gosh... (none / 0)

No prizes for understanding exactly to what I was referring, I might add, as you seem to agree.


by Shaun Appleby on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:38:48 PM EST
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Re: Gosh... (none / 0)

If we only had the internet in 1948, I suspect you would have posted this:  "Gallup is probably the most reputable and prestigious pollster in the country.  If they say Dewey will win this November in a cake walk, I'd take their word for it."


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by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:38:26 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

The gallup poll showing Clinton up 5 on McCain while Obama is down 2 is a poll of registered voters, not likely voters.  When you look at polls of likely voters, Obama is doing better against McCain than Clinton.

Why the difference?  Likely voters are those most likely to be following the primaries more closely and therefore are more familiar with the candidates.  

Registered voters, on the other hand, could include voters who, at this point, still don't know much about Obama and therefore they are being heavily influenced by name recognition.  

This all should change when Obama wraps up the nomination, and you should also see a big spike for Obama after the democratic convention.  


by ProfessorReo on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:19:23 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

The Superdelegates should choose based on who won the popular votes.

Jerome has done a good job documenting who has won the popular votes.  So he will let us all know who won the popular vote on June 4.

It's still close, go out and phone bank.


by HillsMyGirl on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:30:49 PM EST

laughs... (nt) (none / 0)


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:32:46 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

Jerome leaves out four states.  Thought they all counted.


by niksder on Mon May 26, 2008 at 09:40:52 PM EST
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Except they don't (none / 0)

You know, I think after three foul balls, it should be considered a strike, but it doesn't make it so.. You don't like the rules, change them BEFORE the game is played, not in the ninth inning when there are two outs and you're down two runs.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:39:57 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

But, Jerome doesn't subtract all of the Rush Limbaugh votes from Hillary's total.  Without all the Rush Limbaugh votes, Clinton would be trailing Obama much more than currently.  The rules require subtraction of insincere voters!

[OK, I made that last part up, but as long as were making up new rules as we go along, I figure I could play the game too.]


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:43:23 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

its a tracking poll.  Should I write a diary when the next tracking polls hows Obama up?


by Xris on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:53:31 PM EST

too bad... (none / 0)

the democrats are too FUCKING DUMB to see it.


by nikkid on Mon May 26, 2008 at 10:53:49 PM EST

Re: too bad... (none / 0)

Remind me why we're supposed to take you seriously?


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Tue May 27, 2008 at 01:53:39 AM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

So long as 2/3rds of Clinton's supporters are telling pollsters they'll vote for McCain or stay home, the head-to-heads which show her having any advantage over Obama are meaningless.  First, there is very strong reason to believe that once Obama gets the nomination these numbers will go down (and if this is cut in half, btw, his numbers will go up +5).  Second, if Clinton actually got the nomination at this point who doubts her numbers would go down? (and it would be a similar issue, really, this wouldn't have anything to do with indies or Republicans but Dems threatening to bolt the party).

Lastly, why should the Democratic party rally around a candidate whose supporters, essentially, are making a threat?  This hasn't happened sincc the days of George Wallace.  And those who claim Clinton is getting consistent bad press, btw, might ponder just how little attention the national media has given to this phenomenon.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:23:19 PM EST

Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)


So long as 2/3rds of Clinton's supporters are telling pollsters they'll vote for McCain or stay home, the head-to-heads which show her having any advantage over Obama are meaningless.

First, show me a 2/3 cite - I've seen anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3, which I could believe will hold up in the GE.  Second, so you really think all of the low income white voters are really going to turn around and vote for Obama?  OK - you can officially count me skeptical.

Second, if Clinton actually got the nomination at this point who doubts her numbers would go down?

Because if there's one thing that the Clinton's are good at, it is losing races, right?  Oh woops - I meant winning.  But we don't want a winner - do we?


by mikes101 on Mon May 26, 2008 at 11:30:05 PM EST
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Re: Gallup: Clinton leads McCain and Obama (none / 0)

"Second, so you really think all of the low income white voters are really going to turn around and vote for Obama?"

No, certaily not ALL of them.  The racist vote against Obama is unlikely to ever come around.  But, the vast majority of Democratic, non-racist, low income, white voters will likely vote for Obama.  History, our best guide, has shown similar divisions in past primaries and the loser's supporters by and large eventually support the nominee.  Given the unusually small ideological differences between Obama and Clinton, there's more reason than usual to suspect that the party will unite.


John McCain vows to overturn Roe
by soccerandpolitics on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:48:06 PM EST
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